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Shut Up. We're Talking #26
Mon, 19 May 2008 03:10:00 GMT [download/play]



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  • Blog of the Week

    Hosts:
  • Darren - Commonsensegamer.com
  • Karen - Journey's with Jaye
  • John - Ancient Gaming Noob
  • Scott - Pumping Irony

    Topics:
  • Open Beta vs Closed
  • AoC Closed Beta Worlds
  • Guild Hopping
  • Fixing Guild Hopping
  • Fixing WoW's progression problem
  • Who Does the Epic Belong to?
  • How to get more people to buy Your MMO

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    Episode 26 Discussion Thread

    'Thanks' by Kanthalos
    Submitted on 2008-05-19 10:01:40 CST
    Hey guys,

    Thanks for talking about my post. Just to clear things up, I just say "more insight," it was just a play on MMO. Also, I pronounce Kanthalos "kan-thuh-lohs." Hope that helps, hehe. Anyways, thanks again for taking a look at my post. One way to remedy the problem of players seeing the whole game is to put a level cap at about 1/3 of the max level, but provide enough time in the trial that this is possible for the majority of players.



    'Darren is my hero' by Talyn
    Submitted on 2008-05-19 12:27:49 CST
    Either I actually wasn't as spaztastic as I thought I'd been when I replayed it in my head or, more likely, Darren is a master editor and should be paid gazillions of dollars as an audio engineer!

    Thanks for having me on the show!

    Scott err... "Tim?" from *PIMPING* Irony! =D hahahaha



    '*she* ' by Luper
    Submitted on 2008-05-19 13:05:10 CST
    Thanks for talking about my post as well. *feels special* Haha.. by the way, I'm actually female, so that would be a "she". (Checks) Yes, yes.. I would be a she. Oh well.. lol. (Does "Luper" sound like a male's name? )

    When you talked about campaigning for 3 years, it brought back so many memories of DnD (pen and paper style). I miss it so much. Too many people bringing up DnD, lately! (Making me sad.) My friends and I used to get together every Sunday as well. You couldn't believe the campaigns we ran! One of them lasted 2 years. I got my Druid to level 22. The story got deeper and deeper, and the world was extremely immense! I don't think I could forget any of the plots, etc.

    I've heard Karen bring up this point before, but I really really love that she brings it up. The fact that when you are a new player to a game, usually you can't just play with your higher level friends. I don't nec. think that it is the grind to get to the point of where your friends are, but It's the whole aspect of time. Some people don't have the time to get to max level as fast as their friends. Leveling can be tons of fun, but most people don't like soloing. I like the brotherhood system in Vanguard. The only issue I have with it is that you have to be within 5 levels of the person in order to get them into a brotherhood. I think they should scale it if you are further apart in levels, so that you can still help your friends who are lower level get to max level.

    Ya'll came up with some neat ideas. I didn't really like the idea of giving people an option to just get to max level by talking to an NPC. I think that would ruin the whole point of leveling a character, and dumb down achievements such as spending time to get to max level.

    I know that you mentioned the virbalization of "epeen" in the whole virtual world, but really we have people that do that in real life as well, but we just call those accomplishments and achievements. I think that getting full legendary or fabled gear in a game is something to look up to, but it's the player's mentality that truly makes them who they are. I hate people who run around boasting that they have all the best gear and they can "pwn" you. Those are the players who ruin it for the rest of us.

    Anyways, great episode. I couldn't stop laughing when you guys were laughing.. lol.

    ~Luper the Dragonslayer (Voyages of Vanguard Co-Host)



    'Transgender names?' by Talyn
    Submitted on 2008-05-19 13:21:57 CST
    Luper could go either way, although at first glance I'd assume you were male too if I wasn't already a VoV listener.

    On the other hand, it seems everyone assumes my Talyn nickname is female, and I just don't see it... there must be some reference I'm not getting?



    'Hmm.. I could see it. ' by Luper
    Submitted on 2008-05-19 13:34:43 CST
    I can see where your name could be a female name. It sounds like a High Elf name.

    Have you ever read "Talyn: A Novel of Korre"? It's about a female soldier. It's written by Holly Lisle. (I read a lot.. probably way too much).

    Anyways, transgender names could be an interesting topic to talk about.

    ~Luper the Dragonslayer (Voyages of Vanguard)



    'More People...' by Wilhelm2451
    Submitted on 2008-05-19 20:54:19 CST
    Tim and Michael? Mistake, denial, or an attempt at wish fulfillment? In addition to sponsor I think I am going to have to take over the copy editor position.

    Luper is somewhat... well, lupine, and while wolves are male and female, the male wolf... the lone wolf, tends to be what springs to mind.



    'SoOo.. wolves? ' by Luper
    Submitted on 2008-05-19 21:22:31 CST
    Now, I'm a vegitable? *cries* (Lupine= plant from the legume family.)

    I got confused about the whole wolf thing. (I understand the white wolf being both male and female, but you lost me on the rest.) Explain, please. lol

    ~Luper the Dragonslayer (Voyages of Vanguard)



    'Beans to That!' by Wilhelm2451
    Submitted on 2008-05-19 21:44:15 CST
    The first thing I get when I look up "Lupine" is "Something that is like, or relating to, a wolf (canis lupus)." If you've got beans on the mind, I cannot help you there.

    Explain? Um... people who associate themselves with wolves tend to be male? Not sure where the hermaphroditic white wolf came in.

    Or maybe that association is just in my mind, sparked by my Soviet studies classes way back when where we talked about the Siberian wolf mythos.

    Is there a strong female/wolf association in some culture?



    'Ermm... Still on the wolves thing.' by Luper
    Submitted on 2008-05-19 22:08:21 CST
    I don't associate myself with wolves at all. lol. If you look up the definition of Lupine, it says that its any plant from the legume family. I still don't know where the word Lupine fits in, since I go by Luper not Lupine. lol.

    The name is meant to relate to the word "loopy" as in "crazy" and "eccentric." The reason behind this is because my character is a Blood Mage. I steal the blood of others in order to heal my allies, etc, etc. ^_^ Maybe that helps.

    Haha..

    ~Luper the Dragonslayer (Voyages of Vanguard)



    'Lupine Legume?' by Talyn
    Submitted on 2008-05-19 22:28:35 CST
    How's about we just affectionately refer to you as Crazy Bean from now on then? =D



    'Doh!' by darrenl
    Submitted on 2008-05-19 23:08:07 CST
    Supposed to be Scott and John.

    Cut and paste is my enemy ;)

    ..and I like Crazy Bean for Luper.



    'Doh!' by darrenl
    Submitted on 2008-05-19 23:14:57 CST
    Supposed to be Scott and John.

    Cut and paste is my enemy ;)

    ..and I like Crazy Bean for Luper.



    'My dictionary' by Wilhelm2451
    Submitted on 2008-05-20 00:00:51 CST
    My dictionary says that the adjective, which was clearly the form of the word I was using, refers to wolf-like things. It is derived from the Latin name for the wolf family.

    And surely you can make the mental leap from Luper to Lupine. I can't see how that can be a mystery to you, the words being so close in spelling.

    Anyway, if you want to stick with beans, far be it from me to keep you from them. Just remember who tried to associate your name with a cool animal and not "the musical fruit," as the rhyme goes.

    Slay dragons! Give them gas! It's an inside job!



    'Hijacked!' by Luper
    Submitted on 2008-05-20 00:15:21 CST
    So.. I totally stole this thread. Haha.

    Anyways, call me whatever, but in the end, I'm Luper. Mkay!

    Love the podcast.. can't wait to hear more. I'm starting to blog myself, so maybe I'll get some better blogs out and about.

    ~Luper the Dragonslayer (Voyages of Vanguard)



    'Booked' by darrenl
    Submitted on 2008-05-20 09:03:59 CST
    Consider yourself booked for the next show Crazy Bean. Hmmm....need to grab one more

    /Darren askes for show of hands ;)



    'Booked!?' by Luper
    Submitted on 2008-05-20 11:55:20 CST
    Wait, did I miss something? *looks around in mass confusion*

    ~Luper the Dragonslayer (Voyages of Vanguard)



    'DOH!' by Talyn
    Submitted on 2008-05-20 14:14:52 CST
    Darren fixed his typo and changed me from "Tim" back to Scott. I was just about to have Brent change my nickname to Van Talyn too... *grabs a USB Guitar and rocks out*



    'Yes...booked' by darrenl
    Submitted on 2008-05-20 14:58:40 CST
    ...begins with a 'b', ends with a 'd' and has two round thingys in the middle.

    /silences Scott before boob joke.

    What...you don't want to come and tlak to Karen and I?

    /cry
    /sob
    /uncontrolable tears



    'Contingency plan' by Jaye
    Submitted on 2008-05-20 15:38:21 CST
    Darren's really just trying to line up his next female co-host! :)


    'True!' by Talyn
    Submitted on 2008-05-20 17:00:58 CST
    /hacks Darren's silencer, lets the boob jokes fly, and runs away giggling in glee

    Darren could have a pay-per-view battle between Jaye and Luper for who keeps the co-host slot... I'll guarantee that would cover Brent's support fee for the rest of the year! Of course then Beau would have to challenge Darren for trying to steal his own co-host... Podcast PvP!



    'Podcast PvP' by Luper
    Submitted on 2008-05-20 17:51:01 CST
    This sounds like fun!! Can we just skip to Beau and Darren's challenge? /takes out the popcorn

    ~Luper the Dragonslayer (Voyages of Vanguard)



    'Wow' by darrenl
    Submitted on 2008-05-21 08:00:23 CST
    ...I'm liking where this conversation is going.




    '..and oh' by darrenl
    Submitted on 2008-05-21 09:24:12 CST
    Luper....send me an email so we can set you up for the next show.

    darren dot love at gmail dot com



    'Alrighty' by Luper
    Submitted on 2008-05-21 09:26:47 CST
    Done. ^_^

    ~Luper (Voyages of Vanguard)



    'What the...' by Akely
    Submitted on 2008-05-21 17:28:43 CST
    Another "My Little Pony" show? Ye gods, tell me it aint so!




    'What the...' by Akely
    Submitted on 2008-05-21 17:44:23 CST
    Another "My Little Pony" show? Ye gods, tell me it aint so!




    'Guild's and Meaning' by Orkomage
    Submitted on 2008-05-30 15:18:14 CST
    I wanted to comment that AOC seems to have some decent funcitonality in making guilds have more meaning than the typical single character progression. Town construction, and down the road, the benefits of those towns will be nice advantages to being part of the guild outside the chat benefits. Also, as sieges are a big part of the end game, being part of a guild could give you more access to such content than the typical unguilded player.

    Great show again, keep up the good work!