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No Prisoners, No Mercy
Host: Julie Whitefeather & Frances Kosac
There comes a time, friends, when your favorite MMO ceases to sparkle, when even new videogames lose their luster, and the computer room becomes a prison; and all that is left are two gamers (who happen to be nuns) with a very large axe to grind. Come join Julie Whitefeather and Frances Kosac as they go to War - and along the way discuss the events of the week in the MMO industry.
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No Prisoners, No Mercy - Show 27
Sat, 21 Mar 2009 02:56:00 GMT
Welcome to show 27 - naked man. This week we have warhammer, short shorts, the adventures of naked man and more. Join us for laughter, news and discussion about the passion we all share.
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Episode 27 Discussion Thread
'Rorschach' by Jmo
Submitted on 2009-03-21 03:59:52 CST
Listening to the show now, and I wanted to put an answer to the Rorschach's Mask question. Now, there may be more behind it than I know about, but what I get from it is that it is a Moving "Rorschach Ink Blot". The ink blots that are shown to Rorschach in the scene with the Psychiatrist, is called the Rorschach Ink-Blot Test. It's a psychology test used to determine if people are disturbed, going by what they say they see.
'Continuing' by Jmo
Submitted on 2009-03-21 04:16:37 CST
I for one loved Watchmen. I've read the Graphic Novel as well, and yes, there were some changes, but IMHO it was kept very close. I'm sure there will be plenty of mixed reviews here at VW (especially with the latest Limited Edition), but I stand by saying it is a good movie. And also, I could have done without all of the Blue Penis, but hey, it's part of the story.
'About the good doctor' by xabbott
Submitted on 2009-03-21 06:04:53 CST
If he wasn't naked it would contradict everything we learned about him. He had no shame, he was drifting from humanity. Past, present, good and evil were changed for him. If you pay attention to when he DOES wear clothes you will pick up on even more.
Sure, it could have been *shot* to show you less but I think in this case the director wanted to remain faithful to a story he clearly enjoyed. I find it interesting that you object more to the nudity than the violence. Which I should add, the movie is MUCH more violent than the comic.
I can even imagine the director negotiating back and forth with the studio over this. They were probably pushing for a shorter, no nudity, pg13 story about guys in latex beating up "bad guys" and saving the day. But that isn't what Watchmen is about. It's not a super hero movie, Dr. Manhattan is actually the only one in the movie/comic with powers.
'@xabbott' by Jmo
Submitted on 2009-03-21 06:32:37 CST
Totally agree with you. Watchmen isn't your normal "Super Hero" story. While the heroes in the story are incredibly strong, it's because they worked out and trained to be that way, Dr. Manhattan is the only "Super" one of them all. The entire story of Watchmen, is extremely philosophical and deep. While it plays a satire of sorts on the whole Super Hero genre, it also has a ton of hidden meaning that is not apparent right on the surface. There's actually books out there that dissect the Graphic Novel into philosophical discussions. Great stuff! Oh, and the name(s) you were looking for in the PodCast are Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons (Author/Artist).
'Thanks for the posts!' by FrancesKosac
Submitted on 2009-03-21 23:06:59 CST
I just wanted to reiterate that Sr. Julie and I are not "prudes" as you might think based on our comments on the show regarding The Watchmen movie. I, myself, have studied about 7 years of figure drawing/Life drawing which is sketching and painting the nude body...so I have absolutely NO qualms about the naked human body. I think what struck both of us is how distracting the nudity of Dr. Manhattan is to the viewer trying to follow the storyline, especially if you haven't read the graphic novel.
The violence, well, that's what's popular in movies in this day and age. Sr. Julie and I were just discussing the other morning, how Alfred Hitchcock could "imply" extreme violence without ever showing any of it...like the shower scene in "Psycho". But in today's world, you can't see a TV show, nor a movie without violence depicted in it, sometimes in horribly graphic ways...check out any of the "CSI" franchises sometime! And the sex is the same as the violence...it's just what's done in the movies/television these days...but in the case of sex, my PERSONAL preference would be to limit what they show...just like Hitchcock and suggesting violence, you can suggest sex without showing two nude bodies rolling around in the hay! It just could have been more "artfully" done. But overall, I am appreciative of all your posts and comments. Thanks guys, keep listening.
'Abulation' by Yoh
Submitted on 2009-03-22 00:38:47 CST
Its worth noting that with EVE Online, you will eventually have the ability to get out of your ship a walk around in station as many of us desire.
I agree that you = ship does get a bit old after awhile, esp if you traditionally prefer fantasy over sci-fi like myself. But given the evolutionary expansion method unique to EVE, we will get the chance to do so in the future...... eventually.
As for many of the new sci-fi titles attempting to grab a slice of EVE's pie, I don't think its quite that. EVE is far, far more than just internet spaceships, which games like Jumpgate: Evolution basically are. A game like Jumpgate looks like a good, mindless space shooter sort of game, and may very well likely have better combat mechanics than EVE has, I doubt it will be any more than a quick fix in the long run.
And as for Startrek, well I've never been a fan as it was before my generation. I don't really expect that much. About as much as I expect from the Starwars and LOTR MMO's, which really just rely on its previously established IP for success, rather than good game mechanics etc.
I just prefer my game to have good game mechanics.
'Rorashack and Blue Junk' by Checksix
Submitted on 2009-03-22 02:35:15 CST
Rorashack took a job in a garment factory where he found the fabric that "changed" into forms like the rorashack ink blot. I don't remember but I think Dr. Manhatten created the fabric or something like that.
Concerning Dr. Manhatten and his blue junk...The Watchmen (Who watches the Watchemen?) is easily one of the most important comics ever to have been written. If you gals send me your maling address I'll buy you a copy and have it sent over. That being said, the director shot the movie to correspond with the book almost panel for panel. I think the director was just being faithful to the actual vision of the original work down to the smallest detail and that is why you were exposed to so much blue junk.
Now, I'd like to point out that the ending of the story was changed (not in theme, just in method) and therefore the director could have deviated on the blue junk as well. (I for one actually think the movie ending was better but I digress)
I am glad it was there, the blue junk that is. It ment something in the book for Dr. Manhatten to cast off the vestages of his humanity (his clothing). That was a central theme in the book. Throughout the flashbacks in the story, Dr. Manhatten wears less and less as time goes on...his humanity slipping away ever further.
Also, a work this important really begged to be represented faithfully.
'Watchmen as a piece of comic book history' by Shalkis
Submitted on 2009-03-22 08:50:42 CST
One thing one needs to remember while watching the Watchmen (or reading it) is that a lot of it's reputation is based on the fact that it's one of the first attempts in western media to take comics seriously as a medium. One of way of doing that is examining and deconstructing the comic industry. If one has not familiar with other comics, many of the themes can seem odd. For example, the silly costumes in the flashbacks were like that in the pre- and postwar days. So's the superheroes participation in the Vietnam war, which is a reference to Superman being a regular feature in wartime propaganda.
Also, the overall emotional impact of the cold war plot is dampened by the fact that we now know that we made out of it alive without superheroes. The original comic was published in the eighties, when the outcome of the cold war was still very uncertain. An elaborate plot feels unnecessary when you know that waiting a few years is a completely viable option.
'Rorschach mask' by kiric
Submitted on 2009-03-22 10:54:11 CST
Yes Rorschach did work in a garment factory and Dr Manhatten created the "Rorschach material" as a new fashon trend
It was very quickly removed from the market when nobody brought it as it was considered horrible and ugly and very quickly disapeared
Rorschach being a little nuts was instantly drawn to it and stole some of the fabric to create his mask
Hope that clears it up
'ty and possible recording solution' by jtravers
Submitted on 2009-03-23 01:11:30 CST
Thank you for the podcasts.
I recently became quite fed up with Audacity crashing so much. I wasn't sure why the quality went down so much. I discovered installing the Audacity ® 1.3.7 (Unicode) beta fixed and added great stability. Maybe this is a solution to your recording woes. The Audacity 1.2.6 "stable" version crashes non-stop for me. The beta has yet to crash. Give it a go!
Love the shows!
'The laughter' by Celestian
Submitted on 2009-03-23 17:52:55 CST
I dunno why anyone would be so twisted up about Fran's laughter. I find it warm and infective.
As to the Watchers, I've not seen it but when I heard that they had a dude wandering around with his privates in the wind I decided to not bother going at all. Just not interested in seeing another mans slong waving around no matter how good people claim the movie is. After the reviews I've seen it is probably not even worth seeing even if they edit those bits.
'Ol' Blue Balls' by Seritaph
Submitted on 2009-03-24 15:25:30 CST
To me it's kind of like mystique's breasts in the X Men movies. They're there, they're blue, they're pretty much a nondescript part of that character's anatomy. Same thing with the Doc. I mean he's not gyrating around like a Chippendale dancer or using as a pointer.
In my opinion, if he's so far removed from humanity, he shouldn't have a "member" at all. Who's he going to reproduce with anyway? (I haven't read the graphic novel either, so if he does reproduce, I have no knowledge of it. But based on his character in the movie, he seems like he'd have no desire).
Even though it doesn't bother me, I agree with the sisters in that it didn't really need to be in any of the scenes. In some he is covered. It's obviously there to get people talking. Mission accomplished.
'bout Dr. Manhattan's manhood' by BurntSushi
Submitted on 2009-03-24 17:42:10 CST
I think not seeing the movie based on the is kind of absurd. It is a good movie regardless.
The doctor's nudity offending you or making you uncomfortable is exactly what it is meant to do. He is so disconnected with humanity that he no longer understands humility or social discomfort. Have you changed your clothes in front of your dog? cat? or done something in your home that you usually do dressed in front of some creature? Well that is exactly the mindset that Dr. Manhattan has, he doesn't recognize them as an equal or feel that they have any major significance to him, just like a household pet/pest to us.
They movie/GN is more than some superhero asskick fest. It is a social commentary of the 80's (and the cold war was a big deal then).
I think that if most people understood this they would enjoy it more. I watched The Piano and I liked it, even though I saw Harvey Keitel's ass.
'Eve Online and the Watchmen' by Julie
Submitted on 2009-03-24 18:34:45 CST
The have certainly been some interesting changes in Eve Online lately and the whole wormhome addition just might be enough to bring me back - if I can get my same character back and would have to start over again.
As far as the "doc" is concerned I agree with Seritaph in that it is there to get people to talk. Indeed, if he is so far removed from humanity why does he have a "how's your father" at all?
@ Burnt Sushi: actually I'm not embarassed by the big blue's lack of clothes. There is just no call for it and that brings up a point.
If the producers of the movie where trying to remain true to the story by having the Doc "flap in the breeze" then where is the giant squid at the end of the story? The gents over at limited edition mentioned that it wasn't explosions that rocked the world it was a giant squid genetically engineered by said "smartest man in the world" member of the watchmen.
@ jtravers: I might just take your advice and switch to the beta edition of audactiy. I am also thinking of switching to a program called "cakewalk" that came with a microphone (if it does everything we need it to like compress, change tempo, change pitch, amplify, reduce noise, etc.)
Thanks all to everyone who answered the quesion about where Rorshac's mask came from. He was my favorite character in the movie. He delivers my favorite line "I'm not trapped in here with you - you're trapped in here with me." I admire his "no compromise" attitude at the end.
As far as the violence is concerned, it doesn't bother me at all? Why should it? The concept of violence in movies or television turning people violent is ludicrous. Think about all the violent ways that daffy duck died at the hands of Bugs Bunny - blowing up, falling off cliffs, having anvils dropped on him. Not only didn't the violence turn me violent I ended ujp a nun.
So if anyone has any input for show 28 make sure it gets to us by tommorow evening. We are recording tommorow.
'Manhattan's dwindling humanity' by Shalkis
Submitted on 2009-03-24 18:50:12 CST
Dr. Manhattan does have a girlfriend, both in the comic and in the movie: Silk Spectre II. At an early point in the movie they're having some foreplay.. and she gets rather freaked out because she feels more than one pair of hands on her. She quickly realizes that Dr. Manhattan has made three copies of himself. The copies are focused on her while he's busy with his work back in the lab. When she says she's leaving, he acknowledges it but makes no attempt to convince her to stay. The scene establishes that humans, even his own girlfriend, interest him less and less and whatever interaction he has occurs out of obligation, not because he wants to. The lack of clothing is a part of the same pattern. He may put on a suit for important public appearances, but doesn't think about it the rest of the time. The Comedian, one of the more perceptive characters, flat out says that he's losing his touch with humanity in a flashback.
Later on in the movie, he teleports her to Mars to talk and work out their issues.. but forgets that while he may be okay, she needs oxygen. Oops. ;-)
They do sort things out, though.
'Did Manhattan ever have it?' by Seritaph
Submitted on 2009-03-24 20:04:54 CST
I'm trying to remember a point (in the movie) where he even showed he had any kind of humanity. When Nixon recruited him to end the Vietnam war, he was blowing people up like they were tin cans at target practice. The foreplay scene with Silk Spectre II, I think she got freaked out not because of multiple hands (he mentioned she used to like that), but by the fact he's not into it. He's still working on building the machine. The scene in the bar with the comedian and pregnant woman, he watches as if he's more interested in studying human behavior than trying to save anyone.
The closest scene is when he's being interviewed and told he may have inflicted cancer on people who were close to him. He shows a little emotion with his ex-girlfriend, but that could have been an act because the rest of the time there is disconnect.
Even then, is it necessary to show genitals to portray his disconnect with humanity? What about nudists then, are they disconnected or more in-tune with their humanity? I find it a weak argument to justify full frontal nudity as some kind of anarchistic badge. I could see his disconnect without looking at his ding-a-ling.
'I wonder..' by Checksix
Submitted on 2009-03-26 19:06:10 CST
if Silk Specter II ever had a blue tounge. You know...like when you eat an icy pop .... never mind.
'Show 28 has been uploaded' by Julie
Submitted on 2009-04-01 14:09:58 CST
Moms and dad, boys and girls, ladies and laddies show 28 has been uploaded....