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No Prisoners, No Mercy
Host: Julie Whitefeather & Frances Kosac
There comes a time, friends, when your favorite MMO ceases to sparkle, when even new videogames lose their luster, and the computer room becomes a prison; and all that is left are two gamers (who happen to be nuns) with a very large axe to grind. Come join Julie Whitefeather and Frances Kosac as they go to War - and along the way discuss the events of the week in the MMO industry.

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No Prisoners, No Mercy - Show 15
Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:32:00 GMT [download/play]



This week on No Prisoners, No Mercy our guests Saylah and JMO return and are joined by Letrange from our Warhammer Guild for a two part series.
 
Subjects for the week:
1. Mad as hell: puppy hangings, and evil wizards
2. Wilford Brimley Walruses, Wolverines and baby stealing
3. Guests Saylah, JMO and Letrange on "And now he's concerned?"
4. A round of thanks, and a few confessions
5. Burnt Undies: Lucy you got some 'splainin' to do.
 
Next Week: Saylah, JMO and Letrange return to discuss crafting in Warhammer.

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Episode 15 Discussion Thread

'AOC & Breasts...' by Saylah
Submitted on 2008-12-04 00:32:12 CST
I think you missed the important uproar over breasts in AOC. I think there was some minor non-sense about the breast cosmetic - which revolved around the removal of nipples or some such.

The one that impacted AOC game play like the accusations you were referencing related to WARI, was that the female avatars did less overall melee damage because the size of the breasts in the avatar model caused them to swing melee weapons slower. That's right - some player figured that out and exposed it. So it's very plausible that the WAR players crying foul are correct as well, and they have data being posted to support their findings. Last comment is that the whole hoopla is about contribution in Open RVR not Public Quests based on what I've read and experienced.



'Could be...' by Julie
Submitted on 2008-12-04 02:55:13 CST
Well the original author of the article over at Arstechnica simply used the uproar over "beast" sizes I believe to insinuate that the alegations were unfounded. I do indeed remember that incident where the female avatars were doing less damage.

In the end I haven't got the foggiest notion over what is really going on...but the concern makes for some interesting press.

On an unrelated note we are starting to work on the next show with all the crafting sessions that you and JMO and Letrange did.

Thanks for being on the show.

Julie



'She would have keeled over from laughing' by Saylah
Submitted on 2008-12-04 04:22:00 CST
As hard as Sister Fran laughed about the breasts comment, it was good we weren't there for that part. She might have actually passed out from laughter, if I'd explained there was a nipple removal hoopla before the breasts swing slower issue. Now that would have been hysterical to hear her response to but we might not have been able to recover from the laughter. :-)

Thanks for the invite to participate.



'I have noticed some odd things in keep rewards' by Unn
Submitted on 2008-12-04 14:19:23 CST
Listening to the show yesterday reminded me that I had, indeed, see some funny stuff during the last keep take I did, where not only the healers but also the tank ranked very low on the rewards table. Considering all the work the tank had put into organizing the keep raids (we did some zone-hopping that night), I felt really bad the one time I ended up with first prize, and he got virtually nothing.


'Borken contribution' by Julie
Submitted on 2008-12-04 15:31:10 CST
Well here is one of the people who has "broken the contribution code."

Source: http://rpthatway.wordpress.com/

We will, of course, talk about this in the next show...


Contribution - Consistently Top Via Nonparticipation
Posted in Uncategorized on December 3, 2008 by rpthatway
Following up from My previous post regarding Contribution.
Apparently Drakorn beat me to it on The Greenskin's Comments though. That is basically what I was going to say, but I will go into greater detail and include some bugs and issues.

Disclaimer: Don't blame me when all your healers go afk outside of keeps until the keep lord because of this post. You asked for it. You demanded it.

Please continue testing TANK variables as I have not tested them fully. Things like being in the main warband, or coming in from the start (or just for the keep lord) may affect results. I have narrowed down healer variables already and have done no testing for pure DPS classes.

I've kept a secret from you. How many times have you read about "˜the guy who came in at the last second and got 500"²? Well... I do it. Every. Time.

Yes. I'm ashamed and I'm sorry. Over a month ago, I broke the Contribution System. I could CONSISTENTLY pull 450-500 contribution by standing OUTSIDE of the range of the keep (doesn't show status) and having someone tell me the % that the door is at. Now, so long as I dont enter the area(where the keep goal appears on my screen), or get into combat, this succeeded.

In response to some remarks at The Greenskin:
I havent exploited. I have chosen to not participate because it is in better interest of getting loot. would I be an exploiter for speccing rune of fortune to likewise get high contribution at the expense of the keep raid? Doubt it.

"But your gear is horrible!" Thank you to Heartless for pointing this out. My healing gear consists of 3 high level 20 pieces. Sounds bad, but it also has 7% crit to my healing... simply AMAZING and CRUCIAL in oRvR. It also has a Willpower set bonus. It is best to understand my gear before criticizing it. I would need MORE than 2 pieces of Keep Gear to compensate for 7% crit lost in RvR circumstances. My overall stats give me willpower nearly equal to a runepriest in level 40 blues, with more health and far more healing crit.

Anyway... Someone would alert me as the second door reached roughly 5%. At that time, i would ride in, run to the keep lord, and begin spam healing. In larger groups I would reach this point with the Keep Lord under 50%. EVERY TIME, I would get the top 3. I use Master Rune of Speed for this. I avoid HoTs as I am aiming for optimal healing per second in just a few second's span. Mending is occasionally used if I am racing to top someone off. I never EVER join the keep warband. That seems to hamper my results every time.

The pure consistant nature of this (works every time if executed correctly as a RP) indicates that this is NOT a RNG (Random Number Generator). While there is a bug that causes your contribution to carry over to a second keep in the same zone, that does NOT mean that it is some randomly generated number.

Things that cause issues with contribution:

Tanks: having the keep lord taunted off of you resets your contribution. No taunt-off, decent contribution. Taunt off late, bottom. The opposite is true if YOU taunt. If you use my method and when you hit the top and instantly taunt just before the Lord dies, you will get nearly the top of contribution.

Rune Priests: Rune of Fortune. You heal AND damage in 1 cast. Combine with Master Rune of Speed, you're looking at 1.5 cast time. This likewise consistently puts me at the top, but only if I use it from the time of the first gate.

Healers being in the warband seems to hamper contribution, especially through my method.

tank classes who are not tanking, but guard a high-dps class, seem to gain additional benefit to contribution.

Occasionally, contribution carries over to the second keep in a given zone.

These tests (which produce consistent results) lead me to believe that it is a Per Second system. I do not have sufficient testing to back that detail, but that is my assumption on how my methods lead to my results. Threat/Damage/Healing per second, devided over the entire time you've spent at the keep. Good in theory, but if I hit the keep at the last second, get in combat for 5 seconds, crit 3 heals... I am looking at over 1000 healing per second over my entire time at the keep.

So NO, it is NOT a RNG. Where some people get these theories boggles my mind. Yes, I've broken the system, and yes, i am consistently on top. Sorry Mythic, I've told the world. I was holding it in, but false information passed as fact just kills me. If you're a rune priest, try it out. ONLY USE DIRECT heals. Your goal is huge healing per second in a very short period of time, and I guarantee if you follow this to the letter you will get some high contribution.



Thank you to Blicks, Swagglin and Aismal for your assistance in testing my theories over the last month or so.



'Random or Borked Code all equals the same thing, Contribution is whack...' by Saylah
Submitted on 2008-12-04 23:31:07 CST
And even if it's not there an appearance and belief that something isn't working as intended. One of the things I don't like about no official forums is that Mythic can choose to hide (delay responding) as long as they like. Forums can be viper's nest and troll heaven. however, I think it should be considered price of admittance when running an MMO.

From my experiences EQ2 forums are well controlled. Blizzard survives that mess called forum posts for WOW. Mythic shouldn't be any different. Heck they don't even have technical support forums and I've yet to have a single response to any in-game tickets I submitted when the game first released. I even had a bad problem a few weeks back that I had to resolve by re-installing the game to clear a flag that turned my whole screen red - like it does when you take damage and have your map open. I took damage with the map open and the game wouldn't take remove the red no matter what I tried and I don't have any mods installed. So ZERO on customer support and no where for me to seek technical help via a forum.

They've commented on many player complaints. however, to my knowledge they've remained silent on this issue.



'Next Week's Show' by Julie
Submitted on 2008-12-05 00:06:39 CST
While I understand the initial reasoning for Mythic not having official forums, as we discussed on an earlier show it is really starting to hurt the community at this point. And yes, broken or random there needs to be a comment and not silence.

We will add this subject to those already lined up for next weeks show: Death Knights, Crafting with our guests to include YOU (Saylah) JMO, Letrange and a new guest...

Big Red Kitty from Wowinsider and Bigredkitty.net



'Mythic Comes Clean on the oRVR Contribution BEING BROKEN SINCE LAUNCH' by Saylah
Submitted on 2008-12-07 15:15:56 CST
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjDGJrLzGlQ there is an element of a random number generator.