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Van Hemlock Episode 51
Fri, 15 May 2009 13:41:00 GMT [download/play]



This week we've been left the studio again for another show recorded on location. Our guests are Mike and James from Killed in a Smiling Accident (http://kiasa.org/) and we discuss bad Darkfall reviews, abusing the ability to make missions in City of Heroes and what happens when you go to Space and NCSoft fire you while you're gone.

You can follow us on Twitter as @vanhemlock for the Friday question and @jonshute for general rambling and you can leave us a comment at virginworlds.com.

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Episode 51 Discussion Thread

'Jon!' by mchris
Submitted on 2009-05-16 03:33:52 CST
Please stop the snide comments about DF. You don't seem to have much to add to this discussion save for reminding everyone they won't let you in yet.
Otherwise fine work by all as usual.



'[Second Opinion]' by Akely
Submitted on 2009-05-16 07:25:23 CST
As the hosts remembered the [Second Opinion] 'idea' is not my own. The PC mag that used to have them is PC Format (htp://pcformat.co.uk).

As for calling reviews that or Impressions or whatever... It does not really matter as long as the review is open with the amount of time spent, and other factors that do affect an MMO.



'14 day review...' by poozle
Submitted on 2009-05-16 12:46:16 CST
I think thats one of the best ideas for reviewing a game ever, review either the trial, or the amount of content you get IN the box, without paying for more. I won't ever play past the trial if I don't like a game.

However I do think they would then need to come back a re review the game a month, 2 months, 6 months, etc. onwards, because I remember AoC was great for the first month, I subbed and then got bored shortly into my second month so the free month didn't really give me an accurate impression.



'14 day review...' by poozle
Submitted on 2009-05-16 12:46:41 CST
I think thats one of the best ideas for reviewing a game ever, review either the trial, or the amount of content you get IN the box, without paying for more. I won't ever play past the trial if I don't like a game.

However I do think they would then need to come back a re review the game a month, 2 months, 6 months, etc. onwards, because I remember AoC was great for the first month, I subbed and then got bored shortly into my second month so the free month didn't really give me an accurate impression.



'MMO Reviews' by Token
Submitted on 2009-05-16 15:32:10 CST
IGN did a fairly good job of reviewing Conan last year, they took time to put it together but you can at least see that they tried.


'Reviews etc' by blipmusic
Submitted on 2009-05-17 17:07:55 CST
MMO:s are problematic when it comes to reviews, to say the least. I seem to remember a lot more "first looks" a couple of years ago which was followed up by a second opinion as mentioned above after X number of months. The latter being more of a "real" review. Lately the "first look" seems to have turned into full reviews which is an idea and/or concept better off at failblog.com.

The huge undertaking needed might consist of having at least two reviewers with different preferences each giving their view.

When it comes to Darkfall, there has been boasting all over the interwebs about its PVP centric play style, the developer is not exactly innocent either. If all players of Darkfall want is a "sekrit club on mile high horses" I suggest they all log off and build a tree house in the forest where they can sit and conspire. So far EVE seems to be the a harsher and far more rational mistress.

Those of you who do play Darkfall: Please, plase do not strive to become the cesspit that is a certain message board of crap images and distasteful stuff. Talk about it, try to explain for those who might be interested instead.

Two of the most levelheaded guys on the internet say levelheaded things about a questionable *review* of Darkfall and the player base attacks...? No, you are right the game is not for me: if that is the rationality of the DF player base, then believe me I do not want to try such a PVP centric game as a Darkfall. PVP centric games live and fall on their player base, an area where EVE is quite successful.

As long as most of us can't try DF out ourselves there will be speculation. That's how *life* works. If all we get fed back from DF players is comments from somewhat immature Darkfall players about how stupid we all are instead of what at least on the surface seems like a an insightful introduction and explanation of the game, well... then you are indeed doing it wrong, while also doing the game and the developers a huge disservice.