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Van Hemlock Episode 30
Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:46:00 GMT [download/play]



We're back, and we've hit the big 3-0. Join us as we get all opinionated over the news, and then demonstrate that we don't get out enough because we've been playing far too many games again.

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Episode 30 Discussion Thread

'the world is fu***d' by Token
Submitted on 2008-12-10 17:09:45 CST
You prompted me to check out the Barrowman story. According to the Guardian only a single complaint prompted the apology. How ridiculous.


'Woo yay you're 30' by welshtroll
Submitted on 2008-12-10 19:56:31 CST
It's nice to have other people sort out the interesting news items for me each 2 weeks, hehe, good show guys.

I'm with Van Hemlock on the Warhammer stuff, i do prefer the 40k world and was a big factor in me not going into WAR.
I enjoy the Dawn of war series of games. It was quite funny that when I went to purchase the other 2 expansions at the time, it worked out cheaper to by a box set with all 3 in it.

Even though it's a little dated graphics wise it's definitely got the game play elements that draw me back to it time and time again. I'll be grabbing Dawn of War 2 when it arrives.




'Must have been a slow news day ...' by Elsyth
Submitted on 2008-12-10 20:03:42 CST
Its amazing how such small and insignificant item can spiral out of control...

I blame the public for being a bunch of sheep with about as much sense as a plank of wood. No one can be seen to be even slightly excentric or weird anymore for fear being shunned by the rest of society or criminalised by the establishment. The whole world is going to hell in a hand-basket while we all run round in circles with the rest of the crowd trying to pretend nothing's happening and if something does happen, it was nothing to do with us and should be stamped out as soon as possible. So much for a free society - we pay for everything nowadays, in more ways than one.



'Fantastic Episode!' by shuttler
Submitted on 2008-12-11 18:58:13 CST
Really nice show

I love the fact you keep mentioning you 'watched' Jon play the console. He really should let you have a turn the big meanie





'@ mukesh' by Token
Submitted on 2008-12-11 19:39:47 CST
Dear Mukesh

I find myself time-poor and wish to purchase a quantity of gold.



'@ mukesh' by Token
Submitted on 2008-12-11 19:42:05 CST
Dear Mukesh

I will need to examine the gold before purchasing to establish it's authenticity.



'offical forums' by shanoyu
Submitted on 2008-12-13 02:55:14 CST
I'm a pretty weird guy but I generally don't even look twice at MMOs without official forums, and they're generally the first thing I look at when deciding whether a game is worth playing. I'm not looking at signal/noise ratio, I'm looking to see if there is a signal period, and also generally trying to figure out what the games cons are since any major deficiencies will come out in the wash there.

If a company of any size is publishing the game and they don't have forums of some sort then it generally suggests to me that they either don't have any faith in their product or that they're concerned that the people playing might turn off prospective customers.

If the solitary individual who makes Dwarf Fortress is willing to brave public commentary, then I think a major publisher should be able to handle forums if they have any degree of confidence in their game.



'Official Forums' by shuttler
Submitted on 2008-12-13 09:57:54 CST
I wondered about official forums when Tabula Rasa was launched. The beta forums disappeared and the community had nowhere to go. The people over at PlanetTR made forums and they became the spiritual home of the player base.

The thing is that feedback left on this site was monitored by the community managers and they participated, but they didn't have to moderate anything so in a way you got an uncensored experience.

I honestly think I;d rather see players give feedback on balancing and fixes and content via the proper channels. I think if someone is making a serious comment they will submit a petition. The thing with forums is that very quickly 1 persons opinion can be on the minds of many people where as the truth of the matter is they were probably playing the game and may not have noticed some of these things. Without an official forums you are left to find another place for contagious comments or you make your solitary opinion made by a petition which is a more honest view of the game than an infected opinion that is just doing the rounds.

I may be wrong about that and I do like forums for community, I however found that without an official forum the pockets of community were stronger because they had to be in TR and banded together and had a real sense of support for each other.

Lets not get in to a TR decline conversation, but I think that whilst the game was strong the detached community worked well. I don't know how having an official forum would have made the games life-span any different?



'Forums' by FarSpace
Submitted on 2008-12-14 04:37:31 CST
I think it is a possibility that official forums are not the end all be all but I think if someone does not want to deal with a bunch of other unofficial forums I can understand that.

I'm usually into the community so I took the extra time to get involved a bit with PlanetTR though

I do find the EVE and CoH forums very useful though and with out them the community would be much more split up and it would be difficult to get all the info from so many sights, at least their is always someone who checks all the different forums and posts it in the official forums so everyone can find it for sure.

Although my experience was ruined when going to the official SWG forums. Not as bad as MMORPG's forums, ha-ha.

Alakazam was cool but when I needed to talk to a real person I hated having to put up with the SWG forums at the time when I played.

But today the SWG forums are not so bad, thankfully.

So, I guess Warhammer gave the community a chance to develop some good websites? But now will be tightening up the community for a central locations with an official forums maybe then?

Bottom line is I would like to have official and unofficial forums both is fine with me most of the time.