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Van Hemlock Episode 27
Mon, 17 Nov 2008 02:48:00 GMT [download/play]



This week we've got a special guest, Michael Zenke, of http://www.massively.com/ fame. The topic is Bioware's new Star Wars MMO and how we think it will do.

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Episode 27 Discussion Thread

'Great Show' by cooperjer
Submitted on 2008-11-17 20:33:16 CST
Thank you for a great show. It provided a lot of insight about where the industry is possibly going and what a few gamers may be looking for in the next generation of MMOs.

I agree with the analysis that WoW is more or less a "perfect storm" effect and it will be hard to duplicate the same effect with any other MMO. However, depending on the timing for the next Star Wars MMO many more new players may be available to play the game. In other words, a few of the WoW players will transfer to the new game and not leave, much like Conan and WAR.

You mentioned that Star Trek may be a dying franchise. Hopefully, that assessment is incorrect. Cryptic Studios is working on a Star Trek MMO.

The acapella Star Wars song was great at the end of the podcast. What was the name of the piece and where would I find a copy of it?

Thank again for a great show.



'The music' by Jon
Submitted on 2008-11-18 05:13:01 CST
The music comes from here: http://www.moosebutter.com/lyrics.php/3. There's a youtube link at the bottom of the page for the video and a link to buy the track if you feel inclined.


'the force is strong with this one' by Token
Submitted on 2008-11-18 10:08:50 CST
I could definitely imagine this star wars game being very successful as a WoW holiday twice a year. The kind of MMO you dip into when they add new content. Play it with your mates, posture with your lightsaber for a couple of months, enjoy the heck out of the new content then go back home to gloomy Britain when your money runs out.


'Let's stop talking about Game Killers' by lochness
Submitted on 2008-11-18 18:05:11 CST


Let's face There will not be a WoW killer. There hasn't been a UO killer, an EQ1 killer, Anarchy Online Killer, DAOC killer, etc.

WOW didn't kill any of these games so why should any other game kill WOW.

Will a future game pull in similar subscription numbers? I say yes and the game that does that will bring new people to the genre. MMO's are a small part of the gaming landscape and there will be more people coming to the genre. Let's say there is 14 million MMO players now..let's talk numbers like 140 million in 15 years.



'killers' by Token
Submitted on 2008-11-18 19:47:48 CST
@ lochness

Your definition of mmo killer is extreme. Don't take it so literally. Plenty of mmo's have been put on life support due to WoW, where the dev teams have been reduced to a drinking bird rebooting the server every week. Look at games like Planetside, my whole server migrated onto WoW.



'Looking into the unknown ...' by Elsyth
Submitted on 2008-11-19 13:30:06 CST
Nice podcast guys and it touched on a few things that have kind bugged me for a while.

For a start you missed out a least one other type of SWG player, those that were happy to play it until the NGE and then just left due to the way SOE treated the player base. No crying on the interwebs about screwing up the game or trying to play under the NGE and ruining what were some great times with a 'dumbed down' interface and fewer trades. I enjoyed my time in SWG and had some great times playing it with friends.

As for the new SW-TOR .. I'm starting to wonder if it's the case that people looking for a new SWG game or are they actually looking for an alternative to WoW and it clones. I don't think that the cross over between Star Wars fans and MMO players is quite as large as many people think and it the alternative to what is current games that is the major factor.

The fact that Bioware have made some great games is sure of benefit, but I'm worried that they will try to put something like Mass Effect into a MMO situation with a tagged on Star Wars IP and miss the mark. I sure hope they don't but with Mass Effect doing so well on console I wouldn't be surprised to see many of the elements of it carried over.

I'm also slightly concerned that Bioware are vulnerable to takeover in the currently climate as industry will be struggling in the downturn, that could scupper any chance of the game being a success as it is an untried team in the MMO industry.

Of course all of this is speculation and we know how badly speculation can go wrong.