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Van Hemlock Episode 23
Tue, 21 Oct 2008 23:40:00 GMT [download/play]



We're back with another show, this time we're discussing MMO Burnout.

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Episode 23 Discussion Thread

'nice episode' by welshtroll
Submitted on 2008-10-22 06:09:34 CST
i find games that devalue the importance of getting to maximum level don't seem to get game burn out as much, guild wars and planetside are good examples of this.
Additionally i feel in gw the fact you can alter 2nd class spices up the game, plus as it's no-sub sees people returning to the game more frequently as a break from other games.

Planetside gave points that allowed you to pick and drop skills on a timer, in a space of days your style and role can change completely. Which meant you got burnout alot slower.

I tend to take Burnout holidays, i play completely different games rts, fps and puzzle games, these are now every 4 months, and can last up to 8 weeks. I've sofar avoided war as i'm bored to death with the sword and spell genre.

Social burnout, being a leader of a guild is frequently a cause of a burnout holiday, as you say due to the pressures of arranging what your group is doing next. And dealing with petty issues is draining.

Another thing to mention is the burnout of playing catch up. If you game with friends, you tend to want to level together, if i wanted to start war now i'll join my clan. I feel i can't since they have been playing for a month at least, i'll effectively have no-one at my level.
Well thanks for the show guys



'Great podcast ... ' by Elsyth
Submitted on 2008-10-22 13:29:15 CST
.. nice podcast guys. I quite often find myself listening to your discussion podcasts more than once as they tend to get me thinking about my own experiences in dealing with issues and then I lose track of where the discussion has gone. They are much better to go back and listen to at a latter date than the 'news' podcasts as they are always remain relevant too. I do think you should name names though .. for instance one podcaster I think has become slightly jaded is Uncle Zonk .. but he's said it himself and he now finds that it's difficult to find anything in a game that he can enjoy due to having played so many games and constantly breaking then down to analysing them. Its become for him more of a job and less of a hobby to enjoy, and I hope you don't end up in the same situation. I do think bikini clad females could help with this in the short term though, but it will never be a real answer ;)


'nice show' by Token
Submitted on 2008-10-22 17:24:17 CST
The bit about being the GM and not wanting to login took me back a few years. I got that problem so bad I couldn't even look at my own forum incase someone was causing drama or quitting the guild. I remember trying to explain to my girlfriend why I couldn't play with her in game anymore and she just didn't get it.

@ welshtroll. For me Planetside solved most of the problems of mmos and I wish it was a success.



'Perfect timing!' by shuttler
Submitted on 2008-10-23 11:21:14 CST
I really can't stress the perfect timing of this discussion. Over the last couple of weeks I have been feeling less and less inclined to log into MMO's. I think it's burnout. And I found your discusion really interesting breaking down the types of burnout as it revealed to me what was going on with my own gaming.

I'm a casual MMO player always have been, so I like the small weekly sessions in a game like CoH as you guys know and I like 3/4 hours of play at a weekend. I progress slowly and enjoy that normaly.

With the many releases over the last 6 months I have tried to enjoy new MMO's in order to get my 'fix' and try and get that desire to play back, but it really didnt work for me. Thats why I started to play CoH again and it I enjoyed the ease of that game without levelling pressures. However when I can't make a weekly meetup I start to feel guilty, which is crazy. I have a life and family and other interests so does it matter if I cant make a gaming night? It shouldnt, but I guess it is important to me to socialize when I game.

After a few weeks of jumping MMO;s and trying the new ones like WAR, I decided to get comfortable with my console and its great. I also jumped back into WoW. I feel comfortable with that MMO and thought it may be boring going back to it, but the new exploration and acheivement system means I have all these things to do and log. I know other games have these but the acheivement system has it all there ingame ready for me to tick of things on a list. Its certainly given me a reason to login again. Not only that I am doing it for myself and have noone to dissapoint!

I'm going to enjoy my casual CoH fix and play something familiar and I think in doing this I have solved the problem!




'Oh yes, I got alot from this show, thanks.' by FarSpace
Submitted on 2008-10-24 22:23:51 CST
Oh man this show was great, I liked how you guys had the different ways people can get burnt out, for me this is pretty good, since I have a tough time following things sometimes but yeah you got my vote :)

For me I like MMO's that are more like breathing worlds so if it is not like that but generally a good game I'll get burnt out but then I'll come back to it later, and then it is usually better, but then there are so many. CoX was one and then it got much better years later now, but I think I'll go straight into SWTOR even though it will probably be cold in the beginning, and just expect to burn out and come back.

Yeah Shuttler! CoX woohoo! I love it too :)

That reminds me the longest time I played a game was NWN because of the ability to make my own worlds, 2 yrs, now that makes a game come alive.