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Host: Brent
VirginWorlds is a weekly news podcast covering Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Games (MMORPGs) such as World of Warcraft, EverQuest, Guild Wars, City of Heroes, Eve Online, Vanguard, Lord of the Rings Online and many many more. The VirginWorlds MMORPG Podcast is the flagship podcast of the VirginWorlds MMO Podcast Collective found at http://www.virginworlds.com

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VirginWorlds Podcast #134.1
Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:59:00 GMT [download/play]



Brent talks for 11 minutes ... more to come.

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Episode 134.1 Discussion Thread

'I'm sure you know this already but here you go :)' by FarSpace
Submitted on 2008-11-18 21:59:18 CST
That is great about making your own server on its own computer, I'm not sure if you meant having virginworlds.com on it's own server from the company/host it is on now or having it like in your own house with total control.

Having total control would be so cool. :)

Here is an idea on something you could sell on your site,

1. Signed Mugs with the faces of some of the podcasters on virginworlds
2. Keychain with the virginworlds on it.

Ok I'm just kidding about the mugs & Key chains, hahaha :)

But how about a:
1. Special edition CD
2. favorite podcasts & video's picked by you and your other podcasters.
3. special insert with pictures and titles
4. signed by the podcasters
5. Like a commemorative CD that comes out every once in a while.
6. And you can make it a gift that you give to people for a 1 time donation amount.

It is probably too much to do and all that, but who knows, maybe.

Here is a suggestion for the updating of the site,

1. make one change at a time
2. do not try to put it all in your head at once.
3. have a temporary 2nd test site for it and then make it the main site when its ready.
4. example virginworlds.com/testvirginworlds/





'Good Idea' by Jmo
Submitted on 2008-11-19 01:43:37 CST
I like these short shows. It gives me a chance to actually listen in one sitting. I look forward to what's to come this week.

One suggestion from everything you've talked about: I like the green background and personally don't feel it's too busy. But in the end, I don't matter. =p

I think you should find something you think is perfect for the site and go with it. I don't think that the choice for background or color scheme is going to hinder anyone from visiting.

Keep up the great work Brent!



'Changes to the site' by Epicsound
Submitted on 2008-11-19 02:51:58 CST
Change the background. Sorry, it bothered me from the first day I saw it.

Make podcasting free again. No more charts and graphs, $$$ and goals. Podcasting is a way that someone can be heard. If you make it a business, it will go the way the music industry went. Music started out free too and look what happened. I do own a pro-audio studio so I know it's expensive to produce audio but podcasting shouldn't be made into a business. It's the one true last hold-outs in the free media world.

Paying writers seems again like this is becoming a business. Put a few add's up to pay the rent. No more begging for donations and giving shout-outs to who is donating. Seems like the last episode of VW wasn't about gaming at all - it was about the business of VW. Keep things simple and free.

Make sure the podcasters always give credit to the musicians who's songs they use on the podcast. Since I don't think the musicians are getting paid for it and Virgin Worlds is collecting donations from listeners, the least they can do is say who played that song.

Please, please, please put up a warning for bad language. I would like to be able to know what shows to avoid.

Keep things simple - it's not about Virgin Worlds the Enterprise. It's about the podcasts. Don't make podcasting a business or we won't love it anymore.



'Supporting the cast makes it free for everyone' by shuttler
Submitted on 2008-11-19 03:52:35 CST
@epicsound

Crediting Musicians is a nice idea, I know a few casters on here use music from sites that agree to let them use it.

As for taking away the goals, I think it should be point out that its these goals that make the podcast free. Brent and all of us don't need to charge for podcasting because nice people support us and pay for the hosting, equipment and trips and so fourth. This ultimately makes the podcast free for the majority and doesn't provide a profit to anyone!

I'd rather support in this way and keep the cast free!



'4am, going to sleep now to your show on the road :) ' by FarSpace
Submitted on 2008-11-19 04:59:25 CST
Awesome show, It was so short i had to put it on repeat so it would last till I fell asleep, lol, jk but really I swear it is so nice to do that. but I promis I don't fall asleep untill I went through a show at least once, hehehe.

Geat points, I do respect them, going to add some of mine on donating and such.

Personally I like just donating, I never look at ads and if I did I would have to spend about $100 or whatever, to help support this site the same amount I am now by donating.

It's like at my child's school, they ask you to buy all this hundreds of dollars of stuff just so they can get like 10% from it, I just went up to the front office and gave them $5 and saved buying $50 worth of junk I did not need.

And it is not like we are just going to click on adds never intending to buy anything, that is not legal to do on purpose, even gamespot.com has a ton of paying subscribers and they also have adds but those adds do not give them enough money to give people everything the members can get with the extra money they give straight to gamespot through membership.

So adds are just not good enough to make a great site that gives the community what it needs.



'Woops, did not copy and paste correctly' by FarSpace
Submitted on 2008-11-19 12:09:07 CST
I did not copy and paste correctly, I also meant to say.

I'm only giving $4 a month and i felt very welcomed way before and after donating, not that anyone said they were not welcomed but i'm just saying no one has to donate if they do feel like it or can't and they will get the same out of VW. There may be a time when I can't donate my self. who knows.

Besides, to me, virginworlds is more like a club of people with like interests working together towards goals and there is no pressure at all to donate imo

Either way, stuff and time costs money and someone is going to/needs to pay for it somehow. no matter if it seems free it is not, but that is not to say that I'm perfectly correct, that's just what comes to mind.



'I...can't....drive....FIFTY FIIIIIIIIIVE' by Crovan
Submitted on 2008-11-20 11:03:52 CST
I have always been a fan of your mini-casts when the occur, since they tend to last about the length of my commute.


'Membership is not mandatory y'know!' by Floss
Submitted on 2008-11-20 12:24:22 CST
@epicsound

It's just a matter of choice mate.
The podcast is free to anyone who doesn't want to help the Collective out.

Me? I've had so many hours of listening pleasure and hours of boredom turned into hours of entertainment by the podcasts from the Collective, that I am honour-bound to stump up some cash and repay some of that entertainment the only way I can.

But I have to agree with you about the freaky green tree background.
Sorry Brent it's just a wee bitty too busy for my eyes ;-)



'Not a business' by Brent
Submitted on 2008-11-20 15:03:39 CST
Ive heard this before:

- some people just want to hear about the games
- some people like to hear about what is going on with VirginWorlds

I've always spent a few minutes up front (and sometimes at the back of the show) bringing site and Collective news up to date for people who care about the community. And, don't take that as a rip, I'm just saying, some people are invested in the VW community and some aren't, that's fine. Something like 4000 people listen to the show (on the high end at least) and there are maybe 100 supporters and maybe 50 people that comment on here frequently, even though 60,000 uniques visit the site. That's the way it is.

On the business side... if VirginWorlds was a real business, it would be the worst business in the world. :) No one makes any money, but the kind offerings from the supporters make all kinds of cool things possible from travel to equipment to worry-free hosting and more. One of the things that the program does that most probably over look is attract great passionate podcast talent and fantastic community participants. People look at what we're doing as a community and they say "Hey, that's pretty cool, I wanna play." That's where every person wins, whether a supporter or just a casual listener. The other benefit which should be rather obvious is the fact that it keeps me from looking at my bank statements and freaking out - and shutting this thing down. The growth in podcasts and travel this year absolutely would not have happened without the supporters and if I tried to float everything myself, eventually my wife would shoot me. Heheheh.

So in summary. Relax and don't worry about this stuff. It's working. (And I don't want to put ads on the site. If there's any other questions on the "why" around the "business" of VirginWorlds, read the long article on the support page. I think your questions will be answered there.

Thanks much for the discussion. Good stuff.