'Trouble taking article seriously?' by Maess
Submitted on 2007-02-23 16:24:00 CST
I had some trouble taking this article seriously because I found its tone a bit too much on the fanboy side of the line. Did anyone else feel that way?

'Somewhat Light' by Wilhelm2451
Submitted on 2007-02-23 17:10:12 CST
I certainly wasn't swayed into running out and picking up the Vanguard box after reading it. Cancelling his WoW account was certainly an endorsement, though I wonder if that said more about him than the game. He didn't mention any teary farewells to friends or a guild.

The title did remind me of the maxim that there is no greater curse than unrealized potential. A lot of people seem to see a lot of potential in Vanguard. It remains to be seen if it can live up to that vision.

'OMGWTF' by Bman
Submitted on 2007-02-23 17:55:30 CST
Dude, what the hell is wrong with you guys? Did you even read the article?

"One day after I played Vanguard, I canceled my World of WarCraft account and I haven't looked back."

See, he's not biased at all. He didn't just immediately cancel his WoW account like a fanboy. No, he gave Vanguard A FULL DAY to prove itself. And prove itself it did, because it's so awesome that even a totally unbiased observer like a columnist for a Vanguard fansite can see how much better VG is than WoW.

"Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed WarCraft immensely for a long time, but Vanguard's rich graphics and all the bells and whistles made me willing to tolerate bugs or performance issues for a while...One thing I am sure of is that millions more will follow."

He said it right there, MILLIONS MORE WILL FOLLOW. They will. He said it. In the post. That's not fanboy, that's FACT. MILLIONS. And just wait until it's released in Asia. He'll have to edit the article to say BILLIONS.

WoW is totally dead already.

'brenden is my hero' by Brent
Submitted on 2007-02-23 18:03:25 CST
...and this article sucks, I shouldn't have posted it. Fanboi stink all over it. But there's an upside and this is, we got to see a little BMan anger... (yay)

'Yay for Bman' by Sente
Submitted on 2007-02-23 18:19:25 CST
Brilliant analysis Bman, pointing out the facts that people choose to neglect :)

'/signed' by darrenl
Submitted on 2007-02-23 18:39:59 CST
I felt the same way when I read that...I feel all dirty.

Vanguard is good...but not that good yet. Comparing it to the polish and quality of WoW is just bad...

'Hah!' by Wilhelm2451
Submitted on 2007-02-23 19:05:56 CST
That "millions more will follow" line did grate on me, but way to take it and run with it Brenden! I nearly fell out of my chair laughing.

'Vanguard - Bigger and Better and a big but....' by scytale2
Submitted on 2007-02-23 20:31:52 CST
Actually I think the article is spot on. VG is bigger nd better than WoW in almost every respect, assuming:
a) That Vanguard had no bugs
b) That Vanguard had its combat tuned
c) That Vanguard could run well on an ordinary PC

The big "but" is that Vanguard is a bigger and better WoW, not a bigger and better MMORPG. It is a real competitor to WoW and is almost certain to steal a substantial amount of its players because it pushes the same WoW buttons.

Anyway, let's not worry about it until the game is actually playable wiithout tearing your hair out:p

'Does Bigger and Better Cut It?' by Wilhelm2451
Submitted on 2007-02-24 03:14:57 CST
To go for an analogy, a lot of MP3 players are bigger (in features) and better (in price) than the iPod, yet the iPod rules the market. A feature comparison doesn't always correctly evaluate the whole package.

Anyway, the criticism was directed at the article itself, not VG, because its tone was more akin to religious fervor than logical persuasion.

'OMG..' by darrenl
Submitted on 2007-02-24 07:24:40 CST
...Wil thinks VG is the Zune of MMOs!!!


'Oh now...' by Wilhelm2451
Submitted on 2007-02-24 12:05:00 CST
That's going to get me tarred and feathered.

I would put Vanguard in the "Creative Zen" player category at least. Lots of features but perhaps not as smooth a package as the iPod.

To push the analogy, I would have to put, say, ArchLord in the "Zune" seat. Lots of promise and hype, but not much follow through.

'Dirty Talk' by Dathmar
Submitted on 2007-02-24 16:54:18 CST
Follow through !! - now that's a good description of the article.

'' by Sanctified
Submitted on 2007-02-26 17:34:47 CST
Unfortunately, people are still regurgitating everything podcasters and bloggers have been saying about Vanguard since beta even though the game in its current state is very solid. There is a huge difference between playing Vanguard on a good computer vs a mediocre one.

Oh, and Im very sick of people comparing every new MMO to WoW. Give it a rest.

'hmmmm...' by darrenl
Submitted on 2007-02-26 18:44:04 CST may have a point Sanctified. Truth be told, the game is still in beta state, a point backed up by McQuiad a while back, albeit a better beta state than at release. Yeah, its stable now, but thats only due to the plethora of patches and excellent work by the dev team since launch...

You'll notice that a lot of us bloggers/podcasters are using the word "potential" quite a bit. I'm hoping that evolves to using more words like "awesome", "stunning", "evolutionary". Jury's still out.

Hey...5 points to me for using the word "plethora".

'2 years' by Sanctified
Submitted on 2007-02-26 19:14:01 CST
Give it 2 years and everyone will be drooling on it like EQ2.

'maybe better later' by Sente
Submitted on 2007-02-27 02:02:02 CST
I am quite sure it will be a much better game in two years, or even sooner. It may also be in a better state now at release than in beta - I cannot say, since I only played it after release.

Personally it did not make me want to come back and play it and certainly not drag me away from any other games I'm playing.

A question will be if Vanguard can pull in enough new people when it gets to a point that it is much better, i.e. will there be a critical mass for the new player experience.

I played EQ2 at release, then left and came back after a year. The game was much better at that point, but the number of new players or players that would want to take their time with quests and exploring were a bit lacking.
But time will tell.

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